VILLAGE OF LONG GROVE
Long Grove Plan Commission & Zoning Board of Appeals (LGPCZBA)

January 16, 2008 Meeting Minutes

 

Commissioners Present: Shelly Rubin , Mike Dvorak, Joe DiIorio, Jeff Kazmer, Wendy Parr,  Robert Jenkins, Tobin Fraley, Charles Cohn

 

Absent: Chairman Phillips

 

Chairperson Pro-Tem: Wendy Parr

 

Also present: Village Planner James Hogue; Planning Commission Secretary Terri Taylor; Village Attorney Vic Filippini; Village Superintendent Bob Block and members of the public.

 

  1. Call to Order: Commissioner Cohn made a motion for Commissioner Parr to serve as Chairperson Pro-Tem for the duration of this meeting, seconded by Commissioner Kazmer. On a voice vote; all aye. Chairperson Pro-Tem Parr called the meeting to order at 8:05 p.m.

 

  1. Public Hearing: Continuation; for the purpose of considering an application submitted by Sunset Grove, LLC for: a text amendment to the Village Zoning Code to, among other changes, create a new HR-1 Highway Retail District; an amendment of the zoning map to rezone property from R2 to the HR-1 and OS-P Districts; a special use permit authorizing the development of a planned unit development and all necessary departures and/or variances as part of the planned unit development process, which departures and/or variances may relate to, without limitation, buffer yard, landscaping, screening, yard and setback, signage, lighting, conservancy district, impervious surface area, and parking requirements; a special use permit authorizing the proposed planned unit development in a lowland conservancy district; a special use permit authorizing a manmade structure in the OS-P District; a preliminary planned unit development plat; and such other additional relief as may be necessary or appropriate under the Village of Long Grove Zoning Code.


This meeting is a continuation of the public hearing held on December 4, 2007. Chairperson Pro-Tem Parr made all attendees aware that we would need to vacate the room by 11 p.m. She requested that the petitioner limit his comments to changes that had been made to the proposal only and to keep within a half-hour timeframe. She also asked that audience members refrain from making the same comments from the previous meeting.

Speakers should also keep to a three minute time limit. She instructed audience members to provide their name and address clearly before making their comments.

 

Chairperson Pro-Tem Parr swore in all meeting attendees.

 

Village Planner Hogue read the existing petition.

 

Mr. Michael Firsel, Mid-America Development Partners, LLC spoke about the changes and new developments since the previous meeting. He appeared before the Long Grove Architectural Review Board where the plan received an overall positive response. A next discussion will cover more detail regarding lighting and landscaping. Another meeting was held with Hitchcock Design Group (working to develop village architectural and design standards) where they provided Mr. Firsel with suggestions about the streetscape and landscape plans. Hitchcock Design recommends that this property should complement the Historic Downtown District, but that it should not be and exact replica because it is not actually part of that District.

 

Mr. Firsel provided updates to many of the questions/concerns brought up at the last meeting:

A.     Added seating near the “Starbucks” and outside Sunset Foods

B.     No gazebo, but benches and other seating to be discussed later

C.     Talked of a letter from their engineer indicating that less water flow across Aptakisic than exists today.

D.     Met with residents on the west side of Route 83. Mid-America will be contributing money to assist with the planting of trees for privacy and screening.

E.      Met with various local business property owners regarding the well system. The deep well will not affect the shallow aquifer which homes utilize.

F.      They are not required to complete a radium/barium test, but will do so anyway due to resident concerns.

G.     An above ground reservoir will be created (for the water supply).

H.     Because the site is not level, they must use Route 83 and Aptakisic as benchmarks for ground level. There is a 27’ drop from Robert Parker Coffin Road to Aptakisic which must be addressed. He described placement of buildings relative to ground level of Aptakisic Road.

 

Mike Fitzgerald, OKW Architects, Chicago spoke about the following architectural changes:

A.     They added a recommendation from Hitchcock Design to move Building C (on the plan) closer to Route 83.

B.     Creation of more seating areas

C.     Will be adding more of the amenities and compatible items recommended by Hitchcock Design.

D.     Made a change in the footprint for Building E which is now smaller. The driveway has also been flipped to the north side of the building and the loading area is now more hidden.

 

Ann Sardini, OKW Architects, Chicago spoke about changes to the landscaping:

A.     Plants are now all 100% native except for the evergreens.

B.     Plan now shows accurate placement of the sidewalk

C.     Landscaping along Route 83 and Aptakisic will be 10’-20’ wide with shorter perennials and shrubs plus deciduous trees to provide year-round color and visual interest and to keep a natural look

 

That concluded the petitioner’s presentation and Chairperson Pro-Tem Parr thanked the architects for their input.

 

The audience members began the questions and comments portion of the hearing.

 

Monica Bedrosian, 5129 Arlington Heights Road believes this plan is awful and asked, “What’s special about a grocery store?” Says she is not opposed to community development but does not want to live behind this development. She expressed concern over wildlife, and an owl living in their neighborhood which would be displaced with a development like this. She indicated if it this has to happen, that it be for some other kind of development. She said she grew up in Naperville and believes they did their development right. She thinks this project looks like Buffalo Grove and not Long Grove and believes a gazebo and fountain would be good additions to the plan. She is disappointed by this project overall.

 

Kevin Thomas, 5266 RFD thinks this is a better effort by the developer. He believes this is an opportunity to better our community. Speaking to the developer, he said he came to an upscale community and that “we” would hold them to the highest of standards. Mr. Thomas wants people to see this development and think it is amazing. He believes that with good content and look it will enhance the community.

 

Jim Miller, 5229 RFD did not know if he is really “for” or “against” this development. He did have questions. He was concerned about the creek behind his property which is currently almost dry. He thought the Board of Trustees and Commission should be concerned about the effect of water runoff and well locations in the area. He expressed understanding for Ms. Bedrosian because of the location of this project behind her home.

 

Joanne Weber, 5127 RFD stated that her property would be directly behind this project. She thinks Sunset Foods would be a great asset to the community. She said she is not happy with the look of the project either. Wondered why the plan is not continuing the look of Long Grove Commons shopping center. She does not want Sunset Foods to go away.

 

Camy Gould, 2230 RFD stated that she spoke at the TIF meeting the previous night. A resident for 13 years who has attending meetings for many years, said she knows people in Long Grove want to see business grow in our town so they can spend their money and it goes back into their own community. She suggested keeping the big trees so it’s not so barren right away; it would take time for new trees to grow. She believes Long Grove needs a grocery store and upscale shopping.

 

With no other comments from the audience, the Commissioners began their questions.

 

Commissioner Jenkins read his submitted comments provided prior to this meeting.

 

Commissioner Fraley also read his comments. He said that he knows Mid-America is in the business to make money. He is concerned with the de-annexation issues brought to hand. He wants development in Long Grove and does not want to feel like if the PCZBA or Board of Trustees wants the developer to make changes to the proposal that they may take the project elsewhere. He’s not excited by the current plan he’s seeing and knows that not everyone will be happy with it. He believes the Commissioners are looked at as the “bad guys” but they need to make this the best project possible for Long Grove. He prompted a short discussion regarding the status of Hitchcock Design Group’s relationship to the Village of Long Grove.

 

Commissioner Dvorak repeated concerns of Commissioner Fraley. He believes we need a “showplace” and not a “strip mall.” He wants the developer to take this further. He sees improvements in the landscaping. He asks if people are really going to walk along a six lane highway (Route 83) and wonders why the path could not meander through the property instead. He is concerned over the state of the shallow aquifer and how much water runoff will be created due to the parking areas which will not be going into the aquifer as it is currently.

 

Commissioner DiIorio complimented Mr. Firsel for a great job addressing the concerns outlined in the previous meeting. Has two additional comments. Can more work be done around the detention pond with plants and possibly a gazebo area? And what kind of recycling can be used in the project. Have they looked into the permeable pavers to address water runoff concerns. He also wants to know if they are recycling construction products. He said he was glad they are working closely with the Architectural Board (AB).

 

Chairperson Pro-Tem Parr read Chairman Phillips’ written comments because he was not in attendance at this meeting. They read as follows:

 

As a member of the Long Grove Plan Commission for almost 30 years, it’s safe to say that I have seen hundreds of projects come before the Plan Commission. Many were turned down for various reasons. Many were sent to the Village Board with the endorsement and recommendations of the Plan Commission. I cannot remember one project that was perfect, and didn’t need some type of modification from the original proposal as presented to the Plan Commission. Even then, the recommended project usually was a result of compromise from the developer, the village, and the residents of the community.

 

I have reviewed the Sunset Grove project from the perspective of a Plan Commissioner as well as a village resident. I have heard and considered the public comments from the December 4th public hearing, along with the comments from my fellow Plan Commissioners. I have reviewed the proposed changes that the petitioner has suggested in response to the above comments.

 

Architectural concerns can and will be handled by our experts on the Long Grove Architectural Board.

 

The concerns of not enough green/landscaping were addressed with additional landscaping by the developer and will also be reviewed by the Architectural Board.

 

The concerns of traffic are nothing new on Route 83. Human nature would be to do your (grocery) shopping at non rush hour times, therefore, most of the additional trips generated by this site would be during those non rush hour times. This finding is supported by the traffic study as submitted with the proposal.

 

The Village of Long Grove has been looking for a grocery store to locate here for as long as I can remember. Sunset Foods, being a premier supermarket, is as close to a perfect fit for the village as I could ever have imagined. With Robert Parker Coffin Road practically continuing right up to their front door, in my opinion, the location is as close to perfect as anyone could have envisioned. I see this site, particularly Sunset Foods, becoming the new “town meeting center” for the residents of Long Grove. A place that you could visit at least weekly, bump into your neighbor and learn what is going on in our great community.

 

With that said, I strongly recommend this proposal and suggest that my fellow Plan Commissioners recommend this project to the Long Grove Village Board for approval as well.

 

Fred Phillips

Resident; Village of Long Grove

Chairman; Long Grove PCZBA

 

Commissioner Kazmer said he has been a Long Grove resident for 25 years and a Dominick’s employee for 36 years. He believes this proposal is a unique opportunity for the community. It could have a “wow” factor and residents might even visit multiple times a week. He believes a project like this could “define” Long Grove and the developer could look back and say “look what we can do.” He read a page from the Comprehensive Plan regarding protection of the residents on Arlington Heights Road. He expressed his primary concern over where the water runoff will be going.

 

Commissioner Cohn felt that this project needs something that is more pedestrian-friendly. He was not impressed by the “Starbucks.” Although this is in close proximity to downtown historic district, he does not feel it should be a clone of that area. He wants more effort placed upon gathering-type areas. Overall his impression is that it’s not distinctively upscale or unique. He sees a fountain/garden area or town square option which could serve as gathering spaces. He’s pleased with the outcome regarding the residents west of Route 83. He is also concerned with water runoff and feels they should consider a permeable pavement. He questioned the well situation and did not understand why a shallow well would be needed at all. He feels traffic issues really need more attention. He read some issues outlined in his written comments and feels the developer should consider reconfiguring the layout of structures with user amenities other than shops.

 

Commissioner Rubin told the audience that he has been a resident of Long Grove for 23 years. He agreed with fellow commissioners regarding water, landscaping, and traffic issues. He wants to know what the real impact will be to the current traffic problems on Route 83.

 

Chairperson Pro-Tem Parr had a procedural question for the Village Attorney. She wanted to know the Village Engineer’s opinion regarding storm water and when that would be available.

 

Attorney Vic Filippini said that the plans don’t have enough detail at this time to render a comment. The PCZBA recommendation should be that all storm water / watershed requirements must be met and demonstrated in the final plan presentation by the developer.

 

She also wants to know the timing for approvals with the AB. She has noticed a lot of concerns over how this plan looks.

 

Attorney Filippini said the two items the PC is considering can be recommended pending the approval/recommendations of the AB. The final project approvals will come from the Village Board of Trustees.

 

Chairperson Pro-Tem Parr wanted to know if Lake County has to do a traffic study.

 

Attorney Filippini said there is a multi-step review process involved. Route 83 is an Illinois

State Highway and Aptakisic is a Lake County highway. Many groups will be reviewing the plans. The final decision will be made by those with jurisdiction over the roadway, plus Long Grove’s approval.

 

Chairperson Pro-Tem Parr had a question about text amendment 5-4-2 (D) regarding what stores are permitted in the HR-1 District. Would PCZBA need to approve each store.

 

Attorney Filippini said “no.” The PUD says “retail stores” would be approved within the PUD.  PC and Board would make recommendations regarding the range of retail stores that could be within the development.

 

Chairperson Pro-Tem Parr asked if the Village of Long Grove has control over what retail businesses could open.

 

Attorney Filippini said “it depends.” The Village can say what kinds of stores, but not exactly who.

 

Additional discussion regarding the language of this amendment took place.

 

Chairperson Pro-Tem Parr asked a question about the tower and its height.

 

Attorney Filippini said that because the amendments would affect future development, the verbiage would be generic.

 

Chairperson Pro-Tem Parr asked a question about yard requirements and discussion took place regarding the situation.

 

Commissioners Jenkins and DiIorio discussed the view from the east and the height of the proposed buildings.

 

Commissioner Rubin asked about what gets built first, the roads or the buildings.

 

Ed Acuna, 5233 Briarcrest Lane said he sees that there seems to still be something missing for the PCZBA to make the amendment recommendations.

 

Chairperson Pro-Tem Parr asked Mr. Firsel if he had any other questions or comments at this time.

 

Mr. Firsel wants this to be a first class shopping center. He defended the plan as not being a “strip mall.” He recited many of the architectural amenities and the high-quality materials used in the proposal. He finds it would be difficult to spend more money on these buildings and remain profitable. He feels he is hearing different opinions from different boards in Long Grove. He meets weekly with village staff to ensure the project is moving forward and all needs are being met. He wants everyone to know that the rents for shops will be $28/square foot minimum. This is a very high-end rent to pay, which will itself limit the quality of stores within the development. The coverage by buildings on the property will be 18.6%. The lowest coverage of any development Mid-America has worked on in the past. Coverage by buildings is usually approximately 25%. It’s an economic challenge to make this affordable to produce if more amenities are expected.

 

Ms. Bedrosian asked if Long Grove didn’t have a TIF, would this project proceed. She still thinks this project looks like a strip mall. She indicated she has spoken to all residents on Arlington Heights Road, and that they are willing to de-annex to Buffalo Grove if this project moves forward.

 

Commissioner DiIorio requested close-up renderings of the buildings.

 

Commissioner Jenkins asked for a drawing from Arlington Heights Road, looking west.

 

Mr. Firsel agreed to provide both sets of drawings as requested.

 

Chairperson Pro-Tem Parr asked if the PCZBA was ready to vote on the recommendations.

 

Commissioner Rubin made a motion to approve the text amendment to the zoning code to create the new HR-1 Highway Retail District. On a roll call vote, all ayes, no nays; motion carried.

 

Commissioner DiIorio made a motion to approve the rezoning of the property from R2 to HR-1 and OS-P Districts. Discussion of this topic continued with Commissioner Jenkins expressing concern over the rezoning.

 

The discussion was redirected to the motion currently being considered. On a roll call vote; seven ayes, one nay by Commissioner Jenkins; motion carried.

 

Gerald Ostick, 5109 Arlington Heights Road spoke regarding the rezoning of homes and his displeasure with the plan to do so. He made numerous comments about this being unfair.

 

Mr. Firsel voiced his disappointment with this comment.

 

Commissioner DiIorio made a motion to close the hearing; seconded by Commissioner Fraley. On a voice vote, all ayes no nays; motion carried.

 

  1. Other Business:

 

The Hitchcock Design Group draft downtown master plan for village design standards was presented to the PCZBA.  A special meeting was suggested to present the plan to the PCZBA and AB on February 19, 2008. All Commissioners agreed to the special meeting.

 

  1. Adjournment

 

Commissioner Dvorak made a motion to adjourn; seconded by Commissioner Cohn. On a voice vote, all ayes no nays. Meeting was adjourned at 10:55 p.m.

 

  1. Next Scheduled meeting – February 5, 2008, 8 p.m. at the Kildeer Countryside School

 

 

Respectfully Submitted,

 

Terri Taylor; Secretary, Long Grove PCZBA